Детский Ортодонт в Бутово
Ровные зубы еще не являются гарантией нормального прикуса у ребенка, немаловажно и правильное соотношение челюстей. Физиологичный прикус обеспечивает нормальное функционирование зубочелюстной системы, пережевывание пищи и работу костно-мышечного аппарата. При его патологии развивается ряд проблем — от повышенной стираемости эмали до патологии височно-нижнечелюстного сустава.
Проблемы с прикусом встречаются практически у 70 % людей, но только половина из них требует коррекции. Чтобы зубочелюстная система развивалась правильно, позаботиться об этом необходимо еще в детстве, когда многие патологии можно устранить быстрее, чем во взрослом возрасте. Детский ортодонт — это специалист, который занимается профилактикой, диагностикой и устранением патологии прикуса. Посещать врача можно уже после прорезывания молочных зубов.
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Консультация детского ортодонта необходима в следующих случаях:
- проблемы с прорезыванием зубов;
- несимметричность их расположения;
- неправильное положение в зубном ряду;
- большие межзубные промежутки;
- недоразвитие челюстей;
- логопедические проблемы.
Методы лечения в детской ортодонтии
В арсенале ортодонтов имеется большое количество методов исправления прикуса и выравнивания зубов:
- пластины. Они имеют пластиковое основание, на которое крепятся крючки, винтики или пружинки, которые будут обеспечивать расширение челюсти и перемещение зубов в заданном направлении. По мере коррекции врач будет подкручивать винты, тем самым корректируя усилия смещения;
- эластопозиционеры — трейнеры, капы, ЛМ-активаторы. Эти приспособления изготавливаются из пластика или силикона и имеют форму идеального прикуса. Они направляют детские зубы в правильное положение и корректируют работу мышц, которые участвуют в жевании и позиционировании челюстей относительно друг друга. Режим ношения этих конструкций более лояльный, чем у пластин. Их надевают на несколько часов в сутки, как правило, во время сна;
- брекет-системы — специальные стоматологические конструкции, которые крепятся непосредственно к зубам и обеспечивают их смещение в заданном направлении. Брекеты устанавливаются на постоянных зубах, поэтому их применяют уже в подростковом возрасте.
Нюансы приема детского ортодонта в Бутово
Посещение детского ортодонта не требует специальной подготовки. Во время приема он будет анализировать жалобы, особенности развития ребенка, наличие патологических симптомов и сопутствующих заболеваний, влияющих на развитие зубов. Врач проведет осмотр полости рта, при необходимости назначит рентгенологические исследования, измерит распределение сил при жевании и выполнит другие диагностические исследования. После обследования будет составлен план лечения.
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slaver01 Posts: 89 Joined: 21 Sep 2020, 01:48
Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)
Post by slaver01 » 25 Jan 2021, 05:36
I came across this video this morning. do you think there is a grain of truth to reduce the input lag of peripherals?
andrelip Posts: 155 Joined: 21 Mar 2014, 17:50
Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)
Post by andrelip » 26 Jan 2021, 00:33
The most significant inconsistency people are feeling is caused by the C-State messing things up. Windows don’t respect the Bios flag for some models. Also the PowerPlans are not fully optimised to use “C1 only”, not even the Ultimate and the Bitsum.
You can check the amount of time in every step with cmd -> perfmon and then adding the counters for C1, c2, c3 and Idle. The C1 and Idle counters should be the same (for C1 max) or both zero (in case of real c0). Anything different is bad. The frequency graph in MouseTest is a good benchmark since it’s very sensitive to latency. Just check the variance. It should be much more precise in C0 or “C1 only” an more spread in deeper states. Variance is caused mostly by the cpu delaying the Interrupt Processing (making the counter lower than frequency) and then processing it in batches (making higher than the frequency of the mouse).
Use Power Saver Explorer and choose one of the following:
A: Processor -> Disable Idle and chave to disable idle. This will force C0, the faster state but will generate MUCH more heat.
Disclaimer: It will not work well for systems with HT enabled. HT needs the idle thread to work efficiently and with idle disabled the Windows keep the C0 by doing an endless loop. With HT off it should be the fastest possible, but check your temps!
B: Under processor put both PROMOTE and DEMOTE state threshold to 100. It is trick because in one they use the Busy counter and in the other the Idle. It will force C1 State Max, in perfmon it should be equal to the idle graph as a idle is in C1. Probability the best, since Disable Idle They have diminished returns, and C1 is Already too powerful. It works well with HT.
After check MouseTester again. You don’t need to reboot, so you can easily do A/B testing.
Last edited by andrelip on 26 Jan 2021, 10:53, edited 1 time in total.
Ragerlis Posts: 31 Joined: 06 Sep 2020, 09:40
Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)
Post by Ragerlis » 26 Jan 2021, 01:55
I remember from 2010’s mousebuffersize was a problem with many error inputs etc, but after a few windows versions they just fixed and set the default to zero, so doing that you are actually increasing the buffer after all.
But im not sure and i dont have enough knowledge about it, but looking in my registry, the key doesn’t even exists(latest win10 version) reforcing the default is just zero.
Ferr0 Posts: 30 Joined: 26 Jan 2021, 10:40
Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)
Post by Ferr0 » 26 Jan 2021, 10:47
26 Jan 2021, 03:02
Sorry if i was too direct. But there is tons of things that can reduce or change input delay
Its very dificult to a single dword to do magic. magic no exists
Messing with OS like u just said and let me add , messing with BIOS and even hidden bios settings is like 99999% more effective and noticiable
We could make a post about Ram OC, tWR tRTP, grub settings, and people in the end will have better results.
Things that for me is way more noticiable, list:
-> Changing tWR tRTP (messing with this, to ME mess with game feeling alot)
-> Power downs in bios
-> Self refresh
-> Using PMT (gets lower performance and way smoother, depends the choice of the game.. old games are perfect)
-> Using an old operational system with way less updates and very minimalistic approach
-> Changing MSI(for the good and for the bad.. enabling can sometimes be worse, must always test this)
-> Disabling drivers i have a bunch of a list with idk 68 drivers for w10 that i just disable, most of them security or useless
few examples that comes to mind, that u could A vs B test easy
edit: Also using DisableWriteCombining and messing with Async in nvidia inspector is big changes both in performance and feeling, but atm im using the lastest nvidia drivers with default FRL, felt great.
Isn’t setting frame rate limiter mode to disabled the best choice for input delay?
26 Jan 2021, 01:55
I remember from 2010’s mousebuffersize was a problem with many error inputs etc, but after a few windows versions they just fixed and set the default to zero, so doing that you are actually increasing the buffer after all.
But im not sure and i dont have enough knowledge about it, but looking in my registry, the key doesn’t even exists(latest win10 version) reforcing the default is just zero.
I’ve had my mouse buffer size set at 0 and I’ve also had it set at slightly higher values like 1, 8, and 16. There is a drastic difference between setting it to 0 and setting it to 1 or a slightly higher value. At too low a value you get things like clicks not registering but at 0 none of that happens. I think 0 just sets the buffer size to its default, which is probably really high like 100. I do think setting it to dec 16 is DECREASING the buffer size from default. I’ve set it to 12 before as well and had no issues with dropped clicks but the cursor movement did seem a little less smooth, however it did feel snappier.
kurtextrem Posts: 41 Joined: 05 Mar 2017, 03:35 Location: Munich, Germany
Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)
Post by kurtextrem » 01 Feb 2021, 04:56
26 Jan 2021, 00:33
B: Under processor put both PROMOTE and DEMOTE state threshold to 100. It is trick because in one they use the Busy counter and in the other the Idle. It will force C1 State Max, in perfmon it should be equal to the idle graph as a idle is in C1. Probability the best, since Disable Idle They have diminished returns, and C1 is Already too powerful. It works well with HT.
After check MouseTester again. You don’t need to reboot, so you can easily do A/B testing.
Can you please tell me which setting it is based on the order of the settings? I think promote is first setting next to the CPU power management (in PowerSettingsExplorer) and demote the 5th?
Or maybe give us a screenshot?
Acer XF250Q, R6 competitive player
Ferr0 Posts: 30 Joined: 26 Jan 2021, 10:40
Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)
Post by Ferr0 » 01 Feb 2021, 07:16
26 Jan 2021, 00:33
The most significant inconsistency people are feeling is caused by the C-State messing things up. Windows don’t respect the Bios flag for some models. Also the PowerPlans are not fully optimised to use “C1 only”, not even the Ultimate and the Bitsum.
You can check the amount of time in every step with cmd -> perfmon and then adding the counters for C1, c2, c3 and Idle. The C1 and Idle counters should be the same (for C1 max) or both zero (in case of real c0). Anything different is bad. The frequency graph in MouseTest is a good benchmark since it’s very sensitive to latency. Just check the variance. It should be much more precise in C0 or “C1 only” an more spread in deeper states. Variance is caused mostly by the cpu delaying the Interrupt Processing (making the counter lower than frequency) and then processing it in batches (making higher than the frequency of the mouse).
Use Power Saver Explorer and choose one of the following:
A: Processor -> Disable Idle and chave to disable idle. This will force C0, the faster state but will generate MUCH more heat.
Disclaimer: It will not work well for systems with HT enabled. HT needs the idle thread to work efficiently and with idle disabled the Windows keep the C0 by doing an endless loop. With HT off it should be the fastest possible, but check your temps!
B: Under processor put both PROMOTE and DEMOTE state threshold to 100. It is trick because in one they use the Busy counter and in the other the Idle. It will force C1 State Max, in perfmon it should be equal to the idle graph as a idle is in C1. Probability the best, since Disable Idle They have diminished returns, and C1 is Already too powerful. It works well with HT.
After check MouseTester again. You don’t need to reboot, so you can easily do A/B testing.
Doing this does add input lag though
BTRY B 529th FA BN Posts: 515 Joined: 18 Dec 2013, 13:28
Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)
Post by BTRY B 529th FA BN » 02 Feb 2021, 13:41
01 Feb 2021, 07:16
26 Jan 2021, 00:33
The most significant inconsistency people are feeling is caused by the C-State messing things up. Windows don’t respect the Bios flag for some models. Also the PowerPlans are not fully optimised to use “C1 only”, not even the Ultimate and the Bitsum.
You can check the amount of time in every step with cmd -> perfmon and then adding the counters for C1, c2, c3 and Idle. The C1 and Idle counters should be the same (for C1 max) or both zero (in case of real c0). Anything different is bad. The frequency graph in MouseTest is a good benchmark since it’s very sensitive to latency. Just check the variance. It should be much more precise in C0 or “C1 only” an more spread in deeper states. Variance is caused mostly by the cpu delaying the Interrupt Processing (making the counter lower than frequency) and then processing it in batches (making higher than the frequency of the mouse).
Use Power Saver Explorer and choose one of the following:
A: Processor -> Disable Idle and chave to disable idle. This will force C0, the faster state but will generate MUCH more heat.
Disclaimer: It will not work well for systems with HT enabled. HT needs the idle thread to work efficiently and with idle disabled the Windows keep the C0 by doing an endless loop. With HT off it should be the fastest possible, but check your temps!
B: Under processor put both PROMOTE and DEMOTE state threshold to 100. It is trick because in one they use the Busy counter and in the other the Idle. It will force C1 State Max, in perfmon it should be equal to the idle graph as a idle is in C1. Probability the best, since Disable Idle They have diminished returns, and C1 is Already too powerful. It works well with HT.
After check MouseTester again. You don’t need to reboot, so you can easily do A/B testing.
Doing this does add input lag though
What creates input lag between those two choices?
For me, memory latency increases when only using Disable idle. That’s with my 5800X. However it was the opposite with my 3800X.
Ferr0 Posts: 30 Joined: 26 Jan 2021, 10:40
Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)
Post by Ferr0 » 02 Feb 2021, 22:17
02 Feb 2021, 13:41
01 Feb 2021, 07:16
26 Jan 2021, 00:33
The most significant inconsistency people are feeling is caused by the C-State messing things up. Windows don’t respect the Bios flag for some models. Also the PowerPlans are not fully optimised to use “C1 only”, not even the Ultimate and the Bitsum.
You can check the amount of time in every step with cmd -> perfmon and then adding the counters for C1, c2, c3 and Idle. The C1 and Idle counters should be the same (for C1 max) or both zero (in case of real c0). Anything different is bad. The frequency graph in MouseTest is a good benchmark since it’s very sensitive to latency. Just check the variance. It should be much more precise in C0 or “C1 only” an more spread in deeper states. Variance is caused mostly by the cpu delaying the Interrupt Processing (making the counter lower than frequency) and then processing it in batches (making higher than the frequency of the mouse).
Use Power Saver Explorer and choose one of the following:
A: Processor -> Disable Idle and chave to disable idle. This will force C0, the faster state but will generate MUCH more heat.
Disclaimer: It will not work well for systems with HT enabled. HT needs the idle thread to work efficiently and with idle disabled the Windows keep the C0 by doing an endless loop. With HT off it should be the fastest possible, but check your temps!
B: Under processor put both PROMOTE and DEMOTE state threshold to 100. It is trick because in one they use the Busy counter and in the other the Idle. It will force C1 State Max, in perfmon it should be equal to the idle graph as a idle is in C1. Probability the best, since Disable Idle They have diminished returns, and C1 is Already too powerful. It works well with HT.
After check MouseTester again. You don’t need to reboot, so you can easily do A/B testing.
Doing this does add input lag though
What creates input lag between those two choices?
For me, memory latency increases when only using Disable idle. That’s with my 5800X. However it was the opposite with my 3800X.
So my personal anecdote is that when I first used that tweak I did feel like it was worse then idle enabled. However, now that we have some latency monitoring tools someone has actually tested it. This is the only actual data point we have regarding this tweak as far as I’m aware. https://youtu.be/sVK96m9I_U8
Ferr0 Posts: 30 Joined: 26 Jan 2021, 10:40
Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)
Post by Ferr0 » 03 Feb 2021, 00:34
03 Feb 2021, 00:11
THIS IS NOT LATENCY MEASUREMENT
NOT LATENCY
UNDERSTAND THE FX!@%$ TEST.
the tests are as usefull as fr33thy as human being.
`Click to photon doesn’t CONTINUOUSLY measure latency, it it only capable of measuring the latency of a certain event (eg, click.) This is a problem because latency is not stable, latency spikes exists. Which may go COMPLETELY unnoticed by this method of testing. You can slave alot of trials (like 100+) to minimize this, but its still entirely possible that all latency spikes would dodge the capture.`
By MaxTendency on this forum, just grabbed a quick search.`
To make a plus, fr33thy is terrible at tech. he burn people hardware and his own motherboards more then two times because he copied a XOCer timing settings. He is the guy who recommends Hardware Accel in programs to be off cause have 0 understanding of the setting, this is the level.
Plus v2. I would bet my pc that his shit is unstable linpack + poorly configurated and with alot RNG
Its entirely possible that latency spikes go ignored by a test with even 100 samples but using a hypothetical to dismiss data that does exist is a big misstep imo.
No offense but fr33thy has about as much credibility as anyone else in the pc tweaking community. There are a lot of missteps as people try to find the right answer. Arguing that fr33thy is terrible at tech is completely irrelevant and misses the point entirely. I really don’t care if someone has said something wrong in the past, the point is he did click to photon tests in each game after showing the exact changes mentioned in the post above and showed that the latency slightly increased. On top of that a lot of the other benchmark categories got worse as well.
To me, this makes sense with what I’ve noticed but obviously it could be entirely different for someone else depending on their setup. For now, I won’t be using idle disabled.
MouseDataQueueSize Registry Tweak To Reduce Input Delay: Fact or Fiction?
This is one of those old tweaks that hasn’t been talked about much lately but never read any concrete evidence if it works or not.
For those that are interested.
Open Regedit
Goto: Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\mouclass\Parameters
Create Dword 32bit value called: MouseDataQueueSize
Most importantly you want to change the value using Decimal between 100 (highest) and 20 (lowest) increments of 10. Sweat spot is between 30-60. Some values show up differently in Hexadecimal.
Reboot PC
Start game and tab out to desktop. Cursor is squirrely? Click Not Registering in game? Increase the decimal value increments of 5 or 10.
Reboot PC
The gist is that this is placebo. However, some swear by it.
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I haven’t seen anyone provide evidence it improves anything such as in mouse graphs etc. It is interesting though that if you set it to 1 (one) after a certain amount of time clicks stop working all together and the OS doesn’t seem to recover.
Q: What are the default non-paged pool allocations for mouclass.sys and kbdclass.sys *dataqueuesize parameters indicated by the mouclass and kbdclass event providers?
The default non-page pool allocation for keyboarddataqueuesize is 1200 bytes and mousedataqueuesize 2400 bytes. The value of mousedataqueuesize is the value specified in the registry multiplied by the size of the structure MOUSE_INPUT_DATA (24 bytes) defined in NTDDMOU.H, 100 x 24 = 2400. Similarly for the keyboarddataqueue size it is the value specified in the registry multiplied by the size of the structure KEYBOARD_INPUT_DATA (12 bytes) defined in NTDDKBD.H, 100 x 12 = 1200.
Findings and Analysis
- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\kbdclass\Parameters\KeyboardDataQueueSize
- Default Value: 100 (0x64)
- Default Value: 100 (0x64)
- This setting is not present in registry by default on Windows 10
- Keyboard and mouse HID client drivers — Windows drivers
- Keyboard and mouse class drivers — Windows drivers
- PS/2 (i8042prt) driver — Windows drivers
- MOUSE_INPUT_DATA (ntddmou.h) — Win32 apps
- KEYBOARD_INPUT_DATA (ntddkbd.h) — Win32 apps
Using poolmon you can view the total allocated buffer space by each driver for the connected devices, in the image below there is one physical Mouse connected and one physical Keyboard using the default values.
In this case there are two keyboard devices registered (HID Keyboard Device in device management), one that is part of the mouse and the keyboard itself which results in a value that is rougly 2400 bytes (1200 x 2) buffer space allocation and the remaining space likely allocated to some regular device object structure.
Then we see similar behavior for the mouse, again there is one Mice and other pointing devices registered (HID-compliant mouse) which results in a value that is rougly 2400 bytes (2400 x 1) and another set of bytes related to some other data structures.Q: Are there any paged or non-paged pool buffer allocations or frees when you move the mouse?
Yes, when you move the mouse the usb drivers hidusb.sys and usbhub3.sys dynamically allocate and free bytes associated with the amount of data processed, the more you move the mouse the more bytes seen allocated and freed. This may be different depending on the type of device and supported driver such as USB3 vs USB2.Findings and Analysis
Rows highlighted below represent byte allocation and frees since the last update cycle. The values displayed appear to be a total count of bytes allocated and freed perhaps since the PC was first booted as the numbers remain present after closing and re-opening poolmon.
Screenshot of byte allocations during mouse movement via poolmon
Purpose
This guide is meant to explore and expand discussion into what causes Input Lag(going to be regarded as IL) and mouse movement. If you do not see a point in reducing as much input lag as possible, that is fine, but this is for people who enjoy the feeling of high responsive gameplay/desktop environments such as back during XP or windows 7 days or at least make the mouse feel that way again.
I will be going over why I do this and which tweaks I feel help. They will be separated into Best, Other, GPU, and Tin Foil. Best are just the best, Other are ones that I do not deem too necessary, GPU are just AMD GPU settings, and Tin Foil are ones I feel is too difficult to determine whether if it’s placebo or not. Please keep in mind, almost all of these tweaks have a link associated with the tweak/line. Also keep in mind that this is ongoing research, there is very little to no research at all on this topic besides several youtubers and forums and everything is always subject to change. This guide is meant to bring all the best tweaks together and test them out so feedback is much appreciated.
[There’s tons of links riddled all over this guide. Make sure to hover over text to see if they have a link.]
Abstract
I have lived with input lag on my Ryzen build for 2 years but had IL(Input Lag) for 4 years due to windows 10. I had no clue why I had so much IL in all of my games and desktop compared to my previous FX and Athlon builds and after 2 years of research I have found some tweaks that can help. I am using the same setup: mouse, 144hz monitor, room, outlet as my previous setups so I can feel the performance differences. https://community.amd.com/message/2932134
I bought some FX parts for cheap included with an r9 270 and have finally determined that my Polaris GPU the RX 580 8gb has an insane amount of IL. Casual gamers/users will not notice but competitive gamers who play FPS’s, Fighters, Racing games will most definitely notice. The inability to hit a target, or react to an attack or corner is all directly linked to IL.
There may be other Polaris GPUs that also have IL(Input Lag) but me and some other people have all confirmed there is IL in the 580 and not just from one brand either(Mine was XFX RX 580 8GB XXX Black Edition):
- a. https://community.amd.com/thread/235028
- b. https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/9wqxx3/high_input_lag_after_upgrading_to_rx580/
- c. https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/input-lag-after-i-upgraded-to-an-rx-580.3460461/
I do not know if reference versions make a difference as I have not tested them. I hear 3rd party GPUs can sometimes introduce IL through bios and software changes, and that the reference R9 290s are king tier when it comes to IL.
Turns out there is input lag differences for CPUs and GPUs! As tested by Tech Yes City with a 1000fps camera, the Ryzen 2700x gets much less input lag than 9900k in desktop and workbenches. HOWEVER, the 9900k and Xeon 1680 both get much lower input lag in CSGO than the 2700x. The main cause of this is due to Microsoft’s piss poor scheduler/optimization for ryzen. [Remember microsoft only «otpimized it» when AMD and Microsoft collaborated on the Surface when the 3000 series and x570s came out.] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsbVSknUK7I
- Don’t forget Intel and Microsoft have had a history of crippling AMD’s performance within the past 2 decades that still affects some software today: How to Bypass Matlab’s ‘Cripple AMD CPU’ Function — ExtremeTech. If you don’t have software after Windows 7 Service Pack 1(2013) there is always a small program called «Intel Compiler Patcher».
But do not worry, I believe Ryzen can have much less IL than Intel, especially now due to all of those vulnerability patches from Windows Updates. Intel are taking 15-20% performance hits and even have hyper threading disabled on older systems which is why so many people are switching to AMD right now! YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN258Q2Y-T8
Obviously I do not have access to a 1000fps camera like Tech Yes City or Battle Nonsense but I can feel IL differences along with others and it matches people’s research to who do have 1000fps cameras. This led me on the long journey to find all the best tweaks possible to get back my mojo. Now this entire Abstract was focused on hardware input lag, which is an entirely different beast in itself, but now it’s time to talk about all the things you can do software wise.
EDIT: Windows 10 feels more sluggish since 1809 because they’ve permanently set QueryPerformanceFrequency to 10mhz instead of the smaller one we’ve had before. This is due to Intel’s spectre and meltdown vulnerabilities. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/queryperformancefrequency-qpc-is-10-mhz-since/.
Best Tweaks
- A great input lag reduction came from upgrading to the new Windows 10 1903 or 1909. I used windows 7, Regular Windows 10 1500s-1776 windows LTSB 2016, windows 10 LTSC 2019 all of them had the same lag. No matter how much I reinstalled it doesn’t change the amount of input lag on my Ryzen(s). Using the new 1903 scheduler reduced my input lag by a noticeable amount. Even with English keyboard language input lag bug it still felt great. That 20% scheduling performance increase from windows 1903 claim does hold water. I have not tried 1909 but I’m sure it’ll be even better.
- As I recall, most of the IL for games came from around October 2016 when Windows 10 changed the way their dwm.exe worked. You have to disable full screen optimization in order to have normal performance in applications now, and it affects both alt tabbed and fullscreen applications. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/7drusz/psa_make_sure_to_disable_fullscreen_optimization.
- Download Process Lasso! It’s the most amazing piece of software you can have on any PC. Change your application priority(the app you want performance in) to «High» and it’ll do everything automatically! You can even keep your PC in balanced or power saving mode until you turn on an intensive app like a game.
- Use MarkC’s Mouse Fix if you want old school mouse feeling with no acceleration! You can customize it to feel like Windows 7, XP, or even 2000s again! https://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html Modern Windows has been shifting everything to be controlled by the OS now. There’s not much direct input at all nowadays and could change up your mouse movement with every update.
- Windows 10 Language Spyware Bug You have to set your language to English Philippines or English Israel while you remove the other language packs. English US and English UK seem to be laggy. However, I believe this tweak «seems» to work on 8.1 as well, maybe even 7 but haven’t tested enough.
- Set GPU Priority to 8 and Priority to 6 in System Profile Tasks.
- TCPOptimizer I have no clue which settings are the best yet cause there’s just so many variables. Feel free to tell me your best settings. Make sure to use optimal preset settings first, then custom configure from there. You can use this in place of setting System Responsiveness to 0. (read on to learn more)
- Lhun’s guide
- r0ach’s guide
Combining these 2 Guides have ascended me from a mere mortal back to reclaiming my throne. It is as if the sun and moon kissed. Just tested it for a few hours on my FX build and I was getting headshots, drifting corners, and counter crushing street fighters like nothing. Back then when I had input lag, I always feel like my game engine was like a second behind. Now I regained my mojo(I’d say I’m back 97%) and I haven’t even installed official AMD GPU drivers yet! However there is much more testing to do. Right now I am using Windows 8.1 updated (with Classic-Shell/Open-Shell to disable AERO) with almost everything disabled on BIOS. I do have HPET and CSM enabled in BIOS though(you can read why later on in #Current Research). I can see why overclockers can usually feel a difference; it’s not just because they are disabling features for a stable overclock, but they are reducing input lag in the process!
Can confirm, that by resetting all the BIOS settings to Load Optimal Defaults, I have felt
the system is more sluggish and has more stutters. Will test this out on my Ryzen build later.
The only way I was able to install Windows 8 with CSM off was to use a customized pirated CD
ISO on my CD drive connected through SATA. But it wasn’t installed in legacy mode it was defaulted to UEFI!
Will try true Legacy mode install next time. Current Research
- Windows 10 QueryPerformanceFrequency and timer resolutions. Youtuber FR33THY made a video about how it’s better to have HPET on in BIOS and off in OS to keep a .
- To learn more about this check out this thread explaining timer resolution impact on performance.https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/epl1j3/ramds_best_threads_bftbugs_fixes_and_tips_v1/fekr7td/
Timecard sent me this. Whoever wants to contribute, please provide feedback.Dwm «usually» doesn’t enforce vsync, or use any resources when you run a game in full screen exclusive mode, if you aren’t sure if your game is impacted use gpuview to confirm. Lots of great examples on diagnosing real world scenarios and game delays in the link below. Happy hunting.
- [Also in Research] Whether Drivers before Adrenaline 18.0 such as 17.9/17.8/17.7 have less input lag. Right now it sure seems like it.
- Also looking into why Windows 8.1 seems to have less input lag than 7 and 10. It could just be the Crimson 17.x drivers. Maybe because I was able to disable AERO more easily? Maybe because I used RadeonMod? Unfortunately Latest Adrenaline 2020 drivers do not work with 8.1 but it feels great even if I am using only 17.x drivers(maybe due to no AMD overlay?)
- Can my fellow gamers out there with Win 8.1 test out «Disable display scaling on high DPI settings» on the compatibility tab of your game’s exe?
- Lhun and FR33THY both recommend these commands but I haven’t tried them out yet. bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock bcdedit /set disabledynamictick yes
Edit: Turning off APM master mode feels terrible and introduces stuttering(AM3+ Boards).
Other huge Tweaks:
- Your monitor settings. Just test out different settings: gaming modes, natural modes. I know for my BenQ monitor has this feature called AMA settings that changes performance significantly by changing the ms response time. Make sure to google your monitor optimizations too, there’s loads of things you can discover. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ax4838/attention_display_port_users_i_might_have_a/
- Your monitor cable. DP Users can sometimes fix their stuttering, blacking out, or input lag problems with this method.
- Adjust system for best performance to disable Aero. I always keep thumbnails on.
- Process Lasso will help especially for Ryzen CCX performance. Just installing it and leaving it on at default(open at startup) is just fine, you will notice that your system is snappier just by having it on. There are however other things you can do such as Disabling SMT or managing Affinity for certain Applications. For Process Lasso on Ryzen I set my game to the primary cores(Disable SMT). And on other apps I set them on secondary cores(odds). So it would look like this on a 1600: Game 0,2,4,6,8,10 and other apps like chrome would be 1,3,5,7,9,11. Not only did this improve scheduling and responsiveness on older windows versions by 50% but increased FPS by around 40~ as well. However you have to remember FPS does not mean everything. https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleRite/comments/97vv24/serious_performance_boost_on_ryzen_with_project/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleRite/comments/97vv24/serious_performance_boost_on_ryzen_with_project/Go into Internet Explorer settings and turn off Smooth Scrolling. It affects your mouse movement for some reason. Maybe Use software rendering instead of GPU rendering too.
- Turn off Unnecessary 10 features. Many times these hog up resources, processes, threads, or even Ban.
- Use this TimerResolution tool to set your timer to 0.5. Starting at 27:20 Panjno shows you what it d.
Cores on ryzen 3k are numbered by their physical cores, with their smt pairs coming after that so core 0,8 1,9 2,10, etc. should be all the same cores ht pair on a 3700/3800x on a 3600 its 0,6 1,7, 2,8 etc. on a 3900x its 0,12, 1,13, etc. — this all is important from what i know, depending if you have 3-core ccxs (6 and 12 core parts) or 4-core ccxs (8 and 16 core parts), itll be just the 3 consecutive cores 0,1,2 3,4,5, etc. or 0,1,2,3 4,5,6,7 respectively so say you want to bind it to 1 ccx on a 3700x, youd set the affinity to core 4,5,6,7,12,13,14,15 for a 3600 itd be 3,4,5,9,10,11 for a 3900x itd be 3,4,5,15,16,17 and for a 3950x itd be 4,5,6,7,20,21,22,23 ccx structure on a 3600: (0,1,2,6,7,8),(3,4,5,9,10,11) ccx structure on a 3700x: (0,1,2,3,8,9,10,11)(4,5,6,7,12,13,14,15) ccx structure on a 3900x: (0,1,2,12,13,14),(3,4,5,15,16,17),(6,7,8,18,19,20),(9,10,11,21,22,23) ccx structure on a 3950x: (0,1,2,3,16,17,18,19),(4,5,6,7,20,21,22,23),(8,9,10,11,24,25,26,27),(12,13,14,15,28,29,
- Turns out it might not be random. Another user apparently feels it too on US. He changed to his to U. However I’m not sure he is still using US Keyboard. I use US keyboard with Eng Philippines.
AMD GPU Tweaks:
- Disable HDCP Support. May reduce input lag but some 480 and 580 users need this if they have the mou.
- Have Chill or Anti-Lag as the only things to have on(depending on what game you play.) Some games require uncapped fps with anti-lag on or some games work better with chill only so it’s up to you to test them out for yourself. Examples Overwatch: Chill on, everything off. Paladins: Anti-Lag on, uncap FPS.(different for every computer and OS set up)
- Before chill and anti-lag existed my r9 270x and r7 370 both performed very well no input lag at all but switching over to rx 580 I felt some strange lag. Chill or AntiLag for RX 580 is really amazing. Night and day differences.
- Here are 2 different guides on how to use RadeonMod but it’s best you use the gury3D forums. If anyone else has some great settings please let me know. Crimson Drivers or even Adrenaline is fine.
- https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ax4838/attention_display_port_users_i_might_have_a/ei77ttx/
- AMD Ryzen Balanced UEFI CPPC2 New power plan for 1903, repackaged. : Amd
Tin Foil Tweaks
Whenever someone is suggesting a change to \Games they always say: «In the same Registry hive as the above tweak, you can also change the priority of Games. To implement this tweak, go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\Tasks\Games and change the following registry values:
The utility was updated recently and now you can add priorities towards each device as well, however I just don’t know which settings are the most beneficial yet, just don’t change the MSI mode of your OS drive. Before you use MSI Utility, you have to make a system restore checkpoint first. This is due to if you change the mode of your Sata or hard drive devices to MSI mode your OS will not boot anymore. If system restore doesn’t work, this video helps to restore your registry but you can also just make.
Ending Notes : Now that I provided you several hundred tweaks you can try out, you can do so yourself. Yeah it is «placebo» but I can certainly tell the difference as a competitive gamer. If we could feel the difference between V-Sync on and off, why is it so farfetched that me and many others can feel differences in these tweaks?
None of us have 1000fps cameras at our disposal but we do have experience, and I’m sure there’s other competitive PVP gamers out there who can definitely tell the difference in their machine’s performance and any feedback is much appreciated.
It’s been PROVEN that these input lag differences Do Exist and coincide with my findings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsbVSknUK7I
I usually rank at least diamond or masters in all the games I played: Overwatch, League of Legends, SFV but for the past 2 years I couldn’t really play any of them competitively because of some over arching lag in my system. I mean I Could play them but it’s just disgusting to play with higher input lag and hurts my soul. First 3 hours after tweaking and switching hardware around I finally moved on from diamond to masters in Overwatch and the difference is immediately noticeable if I switch back. Flipping through options I can definitely tell the difference. It might just be better frame delivery or better consistency but whatever It is, it makes my system more responsive in desktop or games. There is however still more testing to be done.
Quote: Originally Posted by r0ach
There is no fix. Windows XP was a hardware accelerated desktop, then Win 7 wasn’t, then Win 8.1 was again. This is why desktop cursor movement vs exclusive full-screen 3d mode feels the same in Windows 8.1 but not Windows 7. What’s bizarre is Nvidia doesn’t support Windows 8.1 on 2060-2080 series but does on 1600 series. I refuse to use Windows 10 New World Order edition myself. It’s Microsoft attempting to transition to a fully locked down, Apple-style OS, and I would use it solely as a game box and nothing else due to that, but cursor movement is worse than Win 8.1, so I have no use for it at all.
Reply: By RamenRider
Windows 10 pre October 2016 was actually great for input lag and gaming, kinda like 7 and 8.1. Before they forced in the Windows Optimization feature. They did something so horrible that de-synchronized the desktop mouse movement and in game mouse movement forever. Before I remember changing the display scaling, such as 100% magnification to 125%, and it would affect the mouse movement or dpi in game. It was amazing, it was almost like cheating as if the magnification increased the hitboxes; or just adjusted the dpi resolution to make it easier to move/accelerate. Worked for Windows 7 and 8 as well. Whatever it was, it was a slice of heaven.
This would mean I need to also test out Windows 8.1 for gaming performance.
Back to talking about the input lag defenders.
Look how they even attack and downvote this guy asking the same questions!
This poor guy is just asking a question and everyone is berating and downvoting him for no reason? You don’t see anything wrong with this? Maybe it’s not me or anyone else curious that’s in the wrong. Turns out all of those naysayers were proven wrong in that thread when Tech Yes released his video a few month later! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsbVSknUK7I
Oh the Irony
I have tested GTX 970 with my Ryzen but the difference is nonexistant. The Windows 10 1903 upgrade was much more significant. I did try out default AMD GPU drivers that did not include chill and anti-lag but there is no noticeable difference; same rules apply, as turning off enhanced sync feels better, but the only real major changes are at the hardware level. Switching to R9 270 made the biggest difference because in performance, because the RX 580 IL is at a hardware/bios level that even affects people with Intel. https://community.amd.com/thread/235028. I also would love to test out Ryzen 2 differences as well, but I do not have much time or money anymore as I am back in school. Hope this helps though.
Just tested my FX build with Lhun and r0ach guides and it feels amazing. However parts of their guides conflict and everyone’s motherboard is different, so I have to find my own path. Unfortunately Latest Adrenaline 2020 drivers do not work with 8.1 but it feels good even if I am using only 17.x drivers(maybe due to no AMD overlay?) Make sure to test out CSM Legacy, Disable Fullscreen Optimization, Disabling HPET, Lhun’s guide, Windows 8.1 ect.